A Future To Believe In

Good news, everyone! The torched has been passed on to Zavaro and I. Our goal is to hopefully steer the NSL community back from its current downward spiral. Natural Selection has always suffered from an issue of split communities. Natural Selection splintered with the creation of Combat, and NS2 suffered a similar fate with various modes of play including spin off games and Comp Mod. The barrier for entry was extremely low, but regardless, these slight changes between modes created a distinct dissonance for players keen on the complexities of the game. So, for the future: instead of relying on heavily modified builds of NS2 we will be playing with vanilla balance as we have before, coupled with NSL mod, and NS2+.

 

Since game balance is in swing due to Unknown World’s experimentations with the game, we will be postponing any seasonal based leagues for the time being. In the meantime, the NSL will be hosting a Newcomer’s Tournament within the upcoming weeks to both fill the ranks and repopularize competitive Natural Selection 2. More details and signups will be available in the next few days for this event.

 

Gathers are still available to be played, but the servers are stretched thin. We’ve requested access to a few which have been kindly donated by WasabiOne (Chicago), Kaneh (Toronto), and others. We hope that in the next few days we can hammer out the server deficit and have clearer areas of play for European players as well as more localized nodes for Oceania (you are not forgotten Ausland and Asia!).

 

In addition to Natural Selection 2 Gathers, there is the possible intent to add Overwatch gathers due to popular appeal. It does not mean that we will be making a league or ladder for this, and in the meantime please refrain from utilizing the current gather system for Overwatch based play.

 

I pray this provides hope and new beginnings for the future of Natural Selection 2 competitive, and puts many fears and league-related disappointments to rest. Let’s continue as a community to bite res and flash fades.


gg lets re?

Tico on 23 May 16 07:54

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Blank ottar

NO RE
jk

23 May 2016, 08:31

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Blank Keats | African Money Bees

i only just made an account and i have a lot of shitposting to do, please keep this league going k thx

23 May 2016, 08:38

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Blank Zefram

love you, Zav... but lol

23 May 2016, 08:39

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Blank Zavaro

Zavaro may he rest in peace 2016-2016

23 May 2016, 08:47

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Blank bonage | JUST THE TIP

I can guarantee you that the majority of competitive players have had enough. You can't just inspire people back into the fray without significant change. The things that would bring comp players back - many many new teams, new players, another WC, fresh gameplay with new mechanics that are PROPERLY THOUGHT OUT, better performance, big marketing effort - all of these won't happen under the banner of NS2.

The community was so small during the good times that unless you convince all the old players to come back simultaneously, this is little to no chance of getting enough new people to replace them instead.

There have been too many mistakes made along the way for a recovery and the game is too old by the avg gamer's standards. Your enthusiasm is commendable, but the glory days are over - time to let it go and remember the game for what it was and not the state it's in.

23 May 2016, 11:01

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Blank Hellrunner

this is awesome.. a unified game experience at last... so ppl can watch a game they could instantly go and buy... with THE SAME RULES!!! .... I'm really looking forward to a a fresh new vanilla comp scene trained and supported by the old hacks that lerk arround in this forum. ^^ what I do NOT wanna see is Overwatch even SLIGHTLY connecting to NS2... use the system.. do not interlink the pages... ENSL has NOTHING to do with overwatch or other games, reguardless of the current hype train. Make OWL... NSL is NATURAL SELECTION league, NERVER forget that!

23 May 2016, 11:28

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Blank Bicsum | Heidis Bergziegen

The NSL is dead, long live the NSL!

23 May 2016, 11:46

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Blank Malware

LONG LIVE THE NSL.

23 May 2016, 12:48

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Blank Nightsy | Alski Syndrome

hellrunner you have literally nothing to do with comp scene

23 May 2016, 13:24

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Blank Dean0 | Heidis Bergziegen

nights maybe not but obviously a lot with ns2 and its future. he knows a healthy community needs a compscene and he got a lot non-comp players that may able to play comp, like he pointed out, with the same rules.. like in overwatch xD

23 May 2016, 14:18

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Blank Absurdon | placeholder

he never even managed to get his team starting in a newcomer tournament nor a PCW or anythin else related to Competetive. But sure go 4 it. Any fresh blood welcome.

Agree on the Overwatch thing. U can take ur shitty Overwatch and go fuck urself. don't missuse the NSL 4 that shit. U gays have all the connections u need to get ur shit together on ur own w/o abusing our League.

23 May 2016, 14:44

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Blank ryssk | Ram Ranch

TAW in Div.1?

23 May 2016, 14:53

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Blank Sardine | California Burrito

vanilla is aweful for high level 6v6 without a competitive balance mod.

There is a reason over the seasons that cyst health was reduced/maturation increased, lifeform eggs were removed, armour regen removed from mucous, regen off in combat, so on and so forth.

23 May 2016, 15:27

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Blank Nightsy | Alski Syndrome

"he knows a healthy community needs a compscene"

but then he bans several comp players from his server so maybe he doesnt know
he just lectures rookies 24/7 on his server while he doesnt even understand the core principles of the game himself. He just likes to hear himself talk :)))

" ns2 and its future"
are you trolling now or what. Unless something radical happens or ns3 there is no real future

23 May 2016, 15:31

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Blank BauerJankins | nazi hunter izO

Sardine says
high level 6v6

ryssk says
TAW in Div.1?

Zefram says
love you, Zef... but lol

23 May 2016, 15:33

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Blank Dean0 | Heidis Bergziegen

lol you told me why he banned you. you deserved it and you know it. keeping pubs clean is his job.

even if the end seems near there is still a future. trolling is up for you.

23 May 2016, 15:49

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Blank Nightsy | Alski Syndrome

I said several, not only me. I was banned for pointing out how unenjoyable games are on his server for comp players and that adding an hour cap would be beneficial and several people like dapony / zrn felt the same way, the same frustation playing there.

Yeah keeping pubs clean of criticism and enjoyable games is his job :-)

thats the thing when you cant play the game on any server as its meant to be played, 6v6.
there are only a few low slot servers and when there is no competition on them (different low slot servers) you end up with shitty ones, a sad result of an overall low player count...

w/e doesnt matter its his server he is free to make it as unpleasant an experience as possible.

future as in new players come and keep playing the game and playercount rises longterm, and there wont be such a thing.

23 May 2016, 16:06

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Blank phone | Snoofed

alright make me gather admin pelase thakns you

23 May 2016, 16:34

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Blank ryssk | Ram Ranch

Best of luck though!

23 May 2016, 16:53

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Blank Malware

Ryssk to Div.imagination?

23 May 2016, 17:02

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Blank skyice | Div2orDisband

Funny how the people saying it is dead for good are the first to post.

Stop checking the website if you dont want to play ns2 you fucking faggots.

Im glad that someone has took over and i look forward to playing some competitive ns2 again in November :]

23 May 2016, 17:37

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Blank Bicsum | Heidis Bergziegen

skyice says
Funny how the people saying it is dead for good are the first to post.

Stop checking the website if you dont want to play ns2 you fucking faggots.

Im glad that someone has took over and i look forward to playing some competitive ns2 again in November :]




Wasn't it you who proclaimed the death of competitive ns2 in the UWE forums?

23 May 2016, 18:22

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Blank tussio | Potent

At this point I've got 0 interest in playing vanilla. But good luck to those who continue.

23 May 2016, 18:37

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Blank DCDarkling

Yays.. I am happy I didnt have to do it.
And Im even more happy the league is back.

DC IS READY! \o/

23 May 2016, 19:33

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Blank skyice | Div2orDisband

Bicsum says


Wasn't it you who proclaimed the death of competitive ns2 in the UWE forums?


Yes, it was dead.

23 May 2016, 19:59

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Blank Locklear | one brit too many

Tl;dr: All I have to say is.. good luck.

You can't patch this or fix this. This will be a husk of what it was, if anything at all.

I'm not being an evil negative competitive player, it's simply the truth.

Let it go and turn it into a PUG/Ladder site or something if you're intent on keeping some form of organized play alive.

And don't ruin the history and legacy of the NSL with supporting a game besides NS, that's just a pathetic way to keep people around.. I'm sorry but it needs to be said.

23 May 2016, 20:12

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Blank Home

Vanilla NS2 is really the wrong way to go.

23 May 2016, 20:41

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Blank Tico | BEAST INFECTION

Lock that will most likely be the direction we take (PUG/ladder system). Because our main goal is to at least try to keep the idea of 6v6 competitive open to the newer players that find this game. That is why we are doing the newcomers tournament, to see who in this new wave of rookies is interested. And from there we will decide the leagues next step, whether it be another season or a ladder.

And as for the overwatch gathers nothing is confirmed in that regard. And that is why we mentioned there is some talk upon adding it. Because i do agree with you, it is the NSL not NOWSL. But even if we do add the OW gathers itll just be for the accessibility, we would never be creating a league or ladder for the game.

23 May 2016, 20:54

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Blank Cr4zy | SpookerZ

Hooray don't worry, part of the UWE cult now runs the one thing they've hated one! The one place that was safe from the majority of idiotic changes will now follow suit just like all the poor people in North Korea.

Good luck Kim Jong-u... er I mean Zavaro and Tico.

rip.

PM Sent - Wyz

23 May 2016, 21:33

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Blank Tico | BEAST INFECTION

Yea our first change is to delete the NSL and rebrand it to UWESL. Wyzcrack will be the new admin. Good Luck!

23 May 2016, 21:36

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Blank Furs | GIEF ROBOT

If you where short on servers, why not ask the previous server providers for a server again? Well no worries i read the complaining about servers and launched mine again. yw :)

23 May 2016, 21:44

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Blank Tico | BEAST INFECTION

Furs i was going to contact you as soon as i got off of work, in like 30 minutes :D. Thanks for the servers theyre always appreciated

23 May 2016, 21:49

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Blank Pelargir | We're grumpy

Tico says
Furs i was going to contact you as soon as i got off of work, in like 30 minutes :D. Thanks for the servers theyre always appreciated


You have a work?

23 May 2016, 21:54

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Blank dePARA | Heidis Bergziegen

I like the Wyzcrack idea btw.

Nightsy says

Unless something radical happens or ns3 there is no real future

23 May 2016, 21:57

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Blank nebulous | caste

wow fucking nepotism

make this an overwatch league now

23 May 2016, 22:15

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Blank Dean0 | Heidis Bergziegen

i still dont understand especially dePara and crazy, some other too, if you think the game is dead, no future or whatever, what is being prayed since i started comp - why do you even care and spread your negatives, no constructive critics, just stupid comments? dont want anything nsl or uwe wants, dont play comp. and still complaining about what happens. maybe some want a change you cant handle, so just f*** off, leave this page, and never come back. no one will miss you.

23 May 2016, 22:51

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Blank Starcetereus | S11 Forfeit Champs

Us nebulous | caste

wow fucking nepotism

make this an overwatch league now

23 May 2016, 22:51

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Blank dePARA | Heidis Bergziegen

Negative? What was negative on my post? @Dean0

23 May 2016, 23:12

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Blank Alite

Out with the old in with the new!!!!!111111 /s

Goodluck to all that keep playing, hope it works out

Don't know how you guys are gonna make this stuff the PDT seems to be adding off the top of their head balanced, so goodluck with that too.

24 May 2016, 00:05

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Blank Alite

BauerJankins says
Sardine says
high level 6v6

ryssk says
TAW in Div.1?

Zefram says
love you, Zef... but lol


24 May 2016, 00:05

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Blank Tinki | We're grumpy

snip

24 May 2016, 00:59

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Blank Tinki | We're grumpy

GL, hope you will find balanced game in 6v6. And you should use all the map pool too, you don't really have a reason to not play them now.

If i remember correctly before all the compmod tweaks it was only marines wins in prem div/div1 and only aliens wins in div 3/4. But with lower skill and the new updates maybe you'll find a middle ground.
lerk/fade egg spam, contamination res bite, rush exo, no pack play (respawn with nade + health bars), regen in combat, onos heal shield, fast re-lerk, 2 crush skulk rush cc, cyst spam, powersurge against feed gates or resbitters... why not, need to see it first.

24 May 2016, 01:04

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Blank Zavaro

Again, UWE's changes aren't finished. I don't know what they are, yet, and that's up to Rantology and Wasabi, though much of it is stuff taken directly from compmod. Remember that many seasons on NS2 happened without compmod, too, and that compmod was ushered into being by the a few of the people in charge of NS2's vanilla balance. While I can't promise anything, I'm hoping that we can help refine vanilla's balance through these experiences in the ENSL as it used to be.

Also, thanks Cr4zy. I'm glad to be here. I did it for you.

24 May 2016, 01:25

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Blank Locklear | one brit too many

Zavaro says
Remember that many seasons on NS2 happened without compmod, too.


Less seasons happened without CompMod than with it and they took place when the game was still young. CompMod carried it through the later years (S4 onward) and into much better gameplay. This is undeniably true from a competitive perspective. It's the only reason anyone that was actually decent in competitive stuck around. Everyone was fed up with the lack of skill and the huge imbalance involved in the strategies/tactics before Comp Mod hit.

"remember guise there were seasons before the mods" .. yea.. and they fucking sucked. 6 minute onos, fade eggs for dayzzz.. Tinki pretty much nailed most of the garbage.

The seasons didn't grow, they shrunk and the 100+ teams that were there fell of the face of the earth along with NS2's total playerbase.

Do what you want, but there is a reason people hated that shit and made a mod just to get rid of it.

24 May 2016, 02:29

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Blank Zavaro

Locklear says
Do what you want, but there is a reason people hated that shit and made a mod just to get rid of it.


Zavaro says
Again, UWE's changes aren't finished. I don't know what they are, yet


Nobody knows what's gonna happen save for your former teammates. Personally, I have hope. It's fine if you do not.

24 May 2016, 02:36

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Blank Locklear | one brit too many

I admire the optimism and have always had respect for Rant but forgive me for not holding my breath on that one.

UWE couldn't even balance the game properly for competitive with the B250 onset with some of the greatest minds within the community of NS2 influencing sewlek on changes. That's why CompMod was created shortly after the WC.

It's not negativity, it's just historical fact.

GL.

24 May 2016, 02:45

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Blank Zavaro

I appreciate your honesty, and I totally can understand where you're coming from.

Sewlek's balance mod was left incomplete when it was merged into NS2 as he didn't have the time, energy and interest continuing to work on it. Compmod was essentially the culmination of those ideas in that project, and it turned out pretty great. I wish more of the Compmod changes get pushed into vanilla, as many of its ideas can provide solutions to many issues even public players face. I've been pushing for even basic intuitive-design things like ranged Lerk spores for two years internally, and I think soon, they may see the light of day.

For me, it's good to see the game evolving, but I understand completely where you're coming from. Some things are nasty to deal with, especially insta-Onos. You're not wrong, the idea is completely insane.

24 May 2016, 04:01

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Blank Grissi | Goðar

Sewlek stopped because he was not allowed to make any more changes, after Sewleks balance mod was added to vanilla UWE announced they would not make any major changes to the game again.

That was the reason we grouped up to make the comp mod.

24 May 2016, 11:38

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Blank Hellrunner

I didn't ban comp players... I banned assholes. And i didn't regret a damn thing... In fact is this neccesarry to maintain a healthy community... ppl that come from work and need thier awesome ppl fix don't wanna deal with your Bullshit Nights. Or any other who is feeling adressed. seriously .. who do you think you are telling me how to run shit? *shakes head*

24 May 2016, 17:23

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Blank cabooble | strats

I need co-casters. No cussing, please.

25 May 2016, 00:14

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Blank BauerJankins | nazi hunter izO

is he really shaking his head

25 May 2016, 02:18

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Blank Sardine | California Burrito

maybe, roflmao

25 May 2016, 08:00

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Blank Evisuuup

Hellrunner, u ok m8? You seem a bit retarded tbhj fam... B)

25 May 2016, 11:00

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Blank Bicsum | Heidis Bergziegen

Can't we all just get along with each other?

25 May 2016, 12:36

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Blank Home

We could if we had a playable NS game.

25 May 2016, 14:34

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Blank Nightsy | Alski Syndrome

Hellrunner says
I didn't ban comp players... I banned assholes. And i didn't regret a damn thing... In fact is this neccesarry to maintain a healthy community... ppl that come from work and need thier awesome ppl fix don't wanna deal with your Bullshit Nights. Or any other who is feeling adressed. seriously .. who do you think you are telling me how to run shit? *shakes head*


reason = bullshit ok
i seriously dislike you more than I dislike hitler
At least he build the autobahn.

edit: also dont try to fool me, everyone knows you dont have a job
edit2: "healthy community"healthy communityhealthy communityhealthy communityhealthy communityhealthy communityhealthy communityhealthy communityhealthy communityhealthy communityhealthy communityhealthy communityhealthy communityhealthy communityhealthy communityhealthy community
edit3: your name is literally hellrunner come on you took that name for a reason

25 May 2016, 18:19

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Blank Alite

Just saying I've played with Nights before and he striked me as one of the least toxic people here, I'm surprised that anyone would think the opposite

26 May 2016, 00:09

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Blank Tinki | We're grumpy

Some people act differently in pubs. For example i was a passive agressive asshole in gathers but only an asshole in public games :)

26 May 2016, 01:08

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Blank Puzzle | Happy Little Hydras

Everyone knows Charlie killed NS2 and competitive play because Sandy Hook.

26 May 2016, 07:01

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Blank Hellrunner

Evisuuup .. do I know you? and Nights needs to grow some hair first before he can talk to me again... I'll have fun with Bicsum on my awesome server in the meantime :* one out of 3 w/o healthbars

26 May 2016, 14:09

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Blank reknet | Flightless Lerks

Soundpacks turn comp players into trolls. It's been scientifically proven. No use arguing with science.

26 May 2016, 15:02

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Blank Nightsy | Alski Syndrome

Have fun in your little delusional bubble Hellrunner :) Where disagreeing makes you an asshole and telling you why your server is unenjoyable makes you a troll.

Have fun spectating 24/7 telling rookies what to do so they stay and ns2s community grows. How many of those rookies stayed because of your boring monologues?

Only a matter of time until people get crazy on your server its like a madhouse :D




26 May 2016, 16:41

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Blank Hellrunner

see... no regrets.. I could argue now that you have a HUGE issue with authority and that you try to mesure dicks with me on every given opporutity and that this IS the BS no one got a nerve for (School must have been hell for you ^^) ... but I won't cuz you'd never stop... so all I WILL say is: enjoy life kid

PS: games on HB are a blast most of the time cuz we got rid of every negative influence and built a friendly and supportive atmosphere with the most awesome ppl in the community. We'll be arround ^^

26 May 2016, 16:44

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Blank Malware

*Eating popcorn as the drama intensifies and expands.*

26 May 2016, 17:11

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Blank Nightsy | Alski Syndrome

http://66.media.tumblr.com/b513ae75b23e3c4eda7d3f7e01a670c4/tumblr_inline_n7wwgroPtV1ri7rns.jpg

dont have the time but imagine it says Hellrunner inside the bubble ok

26 May 2016, 17:11

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Blank Babbler

I would be inclined to agree with Nightsy, Hellrunner is delusional beyond belief.

26 May 2016, 17:20

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Blank maxamus | IG

Listen, why not settle this over a nice, great game, we all enjoy, a game where players can have fun, enjoy the game, and not care, settle this in O V E R W A T C H

also, @ Hellrunner, Cool story Bruh,

26 May 2016, 17:51

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Blank BauerJankins | nazi hunter izO

Hellrunner says
PS: games on HB are a blast most of the time cuz we got rid of every negative influence and built a friendly and supportive atmosphere with the most awesome ppl in the community. We'll be arround ^^


Is this a hitler quote?

26 May 2016, 17:54

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Blank Malware

BauerJankins says
Hellrunner says
PS: games on HB are a blast most of the time cuz we got rid of every negative influence and built a friendly and supportive atmosphere with the most awesome ppl in the community. We'll be arround ^^


Is this a hitler quote?

IS NAZI IDEOLOGY ALLOWED IN NSL?! "http://www.ensl.org/topics/1273"

26 May 2016, 18:12

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Blank Babbler

Nazi selection league when?

26 May 2016, 18:16

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Blank Hellrunner

Heil Runner o/

26 May 2016, 18:27

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Blank ryssk | Ram Ranch

Eeeyyyy Pédro! Can i have a taco Plz?

26 May 2016, 18:55

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Blank dePARA | Heidis Bergziegen

Its kinda interisting that people who dont care about NS2 anymore are still posting here.
Go and play "Kiddywatch", praise Blizzard cause they listen to you and leave us alone.
THX.

26 May 2016, 19:02

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Blank ryssk | Ram Ranch

Did you say Blizzard shut down servers?

26 May 2016, 19:16

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Blank dePARA | Heidis Bergziegen

Sorry, im not informed enough to say that.

26 May 2016, 19:27

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Blank Hellrunner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzgPSjSFGgU

26 May 2016, 19:45

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Blank Tico | BEAST INFECTION

What the fuck is going on in these comments?

26 May 2016, 20:15

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Blank Zefram

The remnants of a community at the end of days. Happens everywhere. GL shepherding the dead.

26 May 2016, 20:28

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Blank Tico | BEAST INFECTION

Well try our best.

26 May 2016, 21:25

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Blank Nightsy | Alski Syndrome

zefram you are like a ghost still haunting this site wtf why you even come here play your shitty mobile games.

26 May 2016, 23:51

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Blank BauerJankins | nazi hunter izO

"Yeah I'm an asshole sometimes whatever. But I'm no emo faggot life zefram you little pussy ass bitch. Go hide back in your cave of ramen and 99 cent diet cokes from McDonald's you class a fuck tard." - Tap, 2016

27 May 2016, 01:40

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Blank Zefram

Nightsy says
zefram you are like a ghost still haunting this site wtf why you even come here play your shitty mobile games.


Now that my part is done in the community, I like to observe and post comments rather than make a difference... like the majority of the whinging folks.

Come play Clash though. I organized a small midweek tournament with more people in it than the number that still play NS2 at any one time. Or... continue complaining in forums and comment sections. Pretty sure I know your choice though. Cheers.

27 May 2016, 03:40

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Blank Alite

Hey shitposting in the forums is actually a lot of fun

27 May 2016, 08:22

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Blank loMe | Alski Syndrome

Zefram says

Come play Clash though. I organized a small midweek tournament with more people in it than the number that still play NS2 at any one time..

I'd rather "die on AIDS" as OneHit liked to say. When's the next Candy Crush tournament tho?

27 May 2016, 16:16

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Blank asdfg | Barrel O' Monkey's

BauerJankins says
"Yeah I'm an asshole sometimes whatever. But I'm no emo faggot life zefram you little pussy ass bitch. Go hide back in your cave of ramen and 99 cent diet cokes from McDonald's you class a fuck tard." - Tap, 2016


rip tap

:c

27 May 2016, 17:06

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Blank Yojimbo | Potent

Lol this is great :D

31 May 2016, 09:50

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Blank _Mega_

I was gonna be all, "Shit, people still play this game?" Then I looked and no; no they don't. Wish they did tho.

2 June 2016, 04:28

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Blank N1ghtmare

i know that balance is an issue and that i'm not great, but who fucking cares? I want to see what UWE does to this game. I also want to play some 6v6 that isn't full of pub tards....

3 June 2016, 16:48

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Blank Flip

Locklear says
Zavaro says
Remember that many seasons on NS2 happened without compmod, too.


Less seasons happened without CompMod than with it and they took place when the game was still young. CompMod carried it through the later years (S4 onward) and into much better gameplay. This is undeniably true from a competitive perspective. It's the only reason anyone that was actually decent in competitive stuck around. Everyone was fed up with the lack of skill and the huge imbalance involved in the strategies/tactics before Comp Mod hit.

"remember guise there were seasons before the mods" .. yea.. and they fucking sucked. 6 minute onos, fade eggs for dayzzz.. Tinki pretty much nailed most of the garbage.

The seasons didn't grow, they shrunk and the 100+ teams that were there fell of the face of the earth along with NS2's total playerbase.

Do what you want, but there is a reason people hated that shit and made a mod just to get rid of it.


Remember when I said NS2 had no future back in Beta but that Australian guy UWE had just couldn't get over the dream of ESL studios?

Almost like you need a good foundation to make a competitive game good.

9 June 2016, 01:04

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Blank Alt+F4 | For The Lolz

D:

9 June 2016, 16:07

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